The Princess and the Wolf

A Fairytale of New York

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would the farm residents ever let Bigby live there?
ombria in shadows
meganbmoore wrote in bigbysnowfort
Or at least, visit?

I realize this will likely be a  moot point very soon, but has anyone else wondered about whether the farm animals would ever let Bigby on the farm?

Yeah, they've been pretty adamant about that subject in the past, but they've been helping raise his children for years, and on the whole all seem to be pretty devoted to them(granted, they probably viewed "Rose Red's nieces and nephews" as being more important than "Bigby Wolf's children")

I wonder if the cubs presence for so long, as well as his now effectively being "family" to what seems to be their cherished and highly regarded leader would ease the general population's stance on the matter.

And just to radically change the subject:  does anyone else here have AIM?  Mine is SpiritCastle7

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It's part of Fabletown's constitution that Bigby can't go to the Farm. It's a major enough issue that they'd at least have to have a formal vote, and even then it's hard to say . . .

My AIM is [fabletown girl], by the way.

Eh. I bet they'd still be wary and all "NO WOlFIE, NO MATTER HOW AWESOME SNOW/BIGBY IS."

You know, something like that. ;D

I've always wondered why the amnesty didn't cover Bigby. He at least rose to a position of trust in Fabletown, as opposed to several other fables who went right on being villains. Many of the people there owed their lives to him.

So how come he was the only one *not* covered by the amnesty?

Thats a really good point... I have never thought about it before. Hmmm....

(my aim is forgottenpolish)

Well, I think we can all agree that the REAL reason was so Willingham could cause angst when the cubs were born, but...

There's really no indication that there was any reason save that he scared the *ahem* out of the farm residents in the early days and it was deemed more prudent to make him humanoid than to force the issue.

In modern times, though, the only time we've seen anything like that was when the farm animals were up to their tricks. Heck, Colin and he seemed to be bizarre friends, in a way.

I doubt anyone living off the farm would have any problems with his being allowed there, and would probably see the prudence in keeping Bigby happy.

Given that his children live there, not to mention his inherent usefulness and centuries of good behavior, it seems illogical to me that nothing could be worked out.

I think what Willingham's trying to get across is that, whatever Bigby's crimes back in the Homelands, they're so horrible that they can never be forgiven. The incidents with the three pigs and Red Riding Hood were only rare examples of attacks that left survivors.

Yes but as opposed to what Bluebeard did in the Homelands and in Fabletown? Bigby's not the only mass murderer who made it out - but Bluebeard got the amnesty and Bigby didn't. Yet in NYC, Bigby settled down to a productive life while Bluebeard continued his criminal empire.

There's also Jack.

While he wasn't on the same level as Bluebeard and Bigby, it seems pretty clear that we've only really seen him in a "good behavior" phase. Actually, if I recall correctly, Bigby mentions that his giant killing phase was pretty darned bloody(I want a flashback/backstory...actually, I want lots of Jack and Mowgli backstories, but that's another topic) to which Jack retorts something along the lines of Bigby not being allowed to bring it up, unless the amnesty only applies to granny killers or some such.

Bluebeard, however gets to continue to misbehave as long as he donates money(until he hurts Snow, which isn't allowed by numerous Fabletown residents) and until recently, Jack's never really gotten more than a smack upside the head and a night in jail. Whereas Bigby behaves himself constantly...

I really wish that someone had pointed out that while Bigby was being town sheriff, he had everything necessary to keep a wolf contented and in check:

1) a job that brought him pack status
2) access to a mate (even if it took a while for him to get to, er, mate her)
3) restaurants and grocery stores galore.

And when he really needed to work his killing urge out, he'd join the mundy army and rip apart people who threatened both Fabletown and its surrounding nation.

In short, he had plenty of food, something to occupy himself, and legitimate outlets for the killing urge. To take all that *plus* his own family away from him was an act of utter insanity, and you'd think someone would realize that. While he has what he wants, he's not dangerous!

Who said they were really thinking about it? Sure, it was insanely foolish, but none of them ever stopped to think about it. They're obsesed enough about the past grudges that they're at even higher risk of Bigby attacking them -- recall his comments on how when he wants to see his cubs, no one will be able to stand in his way. . .

True. Both gained favour through helping others evacuate, both demanding their 'pound of flesh' in one sense or another in exchange. Kay's comment to Bigby on how if Fabletown's residents knew the full extent of what he did, they'd still be trembling in fear of him might have been exagerated (Kay does see the crimes from the worst possible angle) but it might be something really bad . . . okay, so I'm having trouble figuring out what, considering that it's already been clarified Bigby never worked on the side of the Adversary and a clear slate has been given to others who have done pretty hideous things.

Because the Farm Fables behind the initial decision were jerks, Bigby was an easy target, and Willingham saw it as serving his later plot? Only solid answer I can see.

it was a necessary concession to make it easier for the non-humanoid Fables to accept their confinement to the farm?

I imagine that during those first few decades, when the Fables were only beginning to find their feet and organize, there were a lot of things to hash out and among those how the humanoids being able to come and go as they please - walk like human among humans - and the animals etcetera not wasn't really fair. Necessary, yes, but not fair. The giants and the dragon were even enchanted to sleep for centuries!

The Amnesty covers Bigby since he holds (for centuries, though not the whole series) an office of great deal of importance, but I can see the animals saying: "Fine, we stay here, but then we don't have to deal with the Big Bad Wolf." The window of oppotunity might have been right after the rebellion to revoke this privilege, but that went by and the way I see it this is an issue bigger than whether they trust Bigby these days or not, it's a matter of standing rights.

So no luck, but luckily none was needed.

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